A New Landmark

Today I embark on the 3 and a half day journey that is the Landmark Education Forum.

As part of my new job, I get to attend the Landmark Forum this Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday night. It’s from 9 am to 10 pm – which means its going to be a long and crazy next few days!

I am excited to see what this weekend has in store for me!


Do you know anything about the Landmark Forum? Any thoughts or words of wisdom for me?


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  • Reply Liz @ Tip Top Shape June 24, 2011 at 9:01 am

    I’ve never heard of that before, but the hours sound crazy!

  • Reply Dori June 25, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Hi. I don’t want to discount anything that might be helpful or good for you, but I do want to make sure you did some research on this.

  • Reply Kristina @ spabettie June 25, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    with everything, you will get out of it what you put into it. I have gone through all three levels of Landmark Education – the Forum, Advanced Course and S.E.L.P.

    I have always been open minded, and while I was skeptical, I went in with a positive outlook. It was BEYOND amazing. By the time you read this you will probably know that! 🙂 I hope you are having a great experience, and would love to hear more!

  • Reply tomdarch November 2, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    I’m sorry to be the random-dude-on-the-internet, but I stumbled across your post in trying to find out more about whether Jayna Murphy’s alleged killer had been exposed to Landmark(est)?

    The comment for Dori above is a bit understated. A good source for a variety of information on the organization is:

    The hours for that first session ARE crazy – they’re an important part of the psychological manipulation process. It’s done for a lot of the same reasons that new arrivals at military boot camp are woken up at strange hours, deprived of sleep and ordered to do all sorts of goofy stuff. It’s a means to “break down” the target, so that he/she can be “built back up” in the way that the leader wants.

    Landmark is an amazing money-making operation – genius actually. It was created by a guy who decided to call himself Werner Erhard (his parents named him John Paul Rosenberg, but after he abandoned his wife and their four children, I guess he wanted a new name.) Looking for a way to make money, he familiarized himself with operations like traveling religious tent-revivals and the early forms of Scientology and learned how the charismatic leaders of these operations could “hook” people and make them dependent on the operation. He founded Erhard Seminars Training and started making lots and lots of money. In 1984 there was enough accurate reporting about est (aka bad publicity) that they changed the name to Landmark Forum. They’ve carried on raking in the dough since then. Look around the Landmark branch you’ve been dragged into. How much money is that branch taking in a year? A few million dollars? Look around – how many people “working” there are volunteers? How many are being paid? KACHING!

    Currently Mr. Rosenberg/Erhard can’t enter the US without being arrested. (The poor guy is stuck spending most of his time at his home in the Cayman Islands.) Ostensibly it’s due to some “tax problems” he has with the IRS. But then there’s that 1991 “60 Minutes” story on him. Various people associated with him stated that they had been “in a cult” and accused him of being physically abusive, and his daughter accused him of sexually assaulting her on national TV.

    Terrifyingly, in light of Jayna Murphy’s murder, that “60 Minutes” story included a description of Landmark (then called “est”) high-ups doing the dirty work for Rosenberg/Erhard by beating and strangling a woman over a period of two days to psychologically “break” her…

    To be fully accurate, several of the people who told their personal stories in that 60 Minutes story afterwards “recanted” what they had said. But, hey, it’s not like we’re concerned with a violent, manipulative cult leader who could intimidate people into lying, or anything.

    So, uh, yeah. Landmark’s founder can’t set foot in the US for some very, very interesting reasons. But don’t worry…. the current folks raking in the cash at Landmark will reassure you – none of the old bad aspects of “est” are left. It’s all new! It’s fine. Don’t worry about it… Wouldn’t you like to do hours and hours of “volunteer” work for us?

    You know the story “The Emperor Wears no Clothes”? Well that salesman should have been a Landmark/est group leader.

  • Reply Jesse Kaellis October 4, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    I did the Landmark Forum in June of 2014. The seminar leader was a Scottish dude named John Bishop. “Oh, he’s like a stand up comic!” But lemme tell you, that can get old.
    Now — I only had to pay $270.00 to take it because I’m an EST grad from 1980. Apparently they track you and God knows what they say about me. So? Yeah, I got through it. By the time it’s over everyone is so elated that it’s over, that it does indeed feel like a transformation. I went to the graduation on Tuesday night, but it was entirely about enrollment and Bishop was going off like a trained monkey. I signed up for the “Advanced Forum” at a cost of $695.00 but after the evening was over I decided that I was going to be out of integrity on that. “I want my money back!” “We don’t give refunds.” “You do and you will.” And they did. Every penny and my life hasn’t worked since.
    There is a free seminar that is offered with the Forum, but I managed to get kicked out of that. Okay — but, oh, well!
    I’m thinking about taking another seminar. Why? There are some decent looking women in these seminars. With EST the first time, that’s how I met my love — in the seminar. I asked her, “Wanna be friends?” But she was two moves ahead of me. And these seminar ladies are my type — I like the normal ones. Nice ladies, with middle class angst.
    If you want a ready made social set, this can work for you. And it’s healthier than some, that’s for sure. Learning how to say no can be useful. Unless you don’t care to mind your money. Is it a cult? They won’t kill you for leaving but they may lay a head trip on you. Not too much though. It’s up to you.
    You gotta be real, be forthright. You know? Why are you there? Me? I just wanted to be a star like I was the first time around, with EST. I was a very well known speaker. But as I said, I believe there is a notation on my file, “Don’t let this one hijack the seminar.” But they’ll still take my money. And who’s gong to believe me anyway?
    I don’t feel like I fit, no, but that’s my racket. On the other hand even Landmark is a story. And my advice is to avoid the people that believe in this organization.

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